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The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame

By Michael Leidig and Roya Nikkhah
Published: 12:01AM BST 18 Jul 2004

Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research.
A study by Swiss and German scientists suggests that increasing radiation from the sun is responsible for recent global climate changes.
Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research, said: "The Sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures.

"The Sun is in a changed state. It is brighter than it was a few hundred years ago and this brightening started relatively recently - in the last 100 to 150 years."
Dr Solanki said that the brighter Sun and higher levels of "greenhouse gases", such as carbon dioxide, both contributed to the change in the Earth's temperature but it was impossible to say which had the greater impact.
Average global temperatures have increased by about 0.2 deg Celsius over the past 20 years and are widely believed to be responsible for new extremes in weather patterns. After pressure from environmentalists, politicians agreed the Kyoto Protocol in 1997, promising to limit greenhouse gas emissions between 2008 and 2012. Britain ratified the protocol in 2002 and said it would cut emissions by 12.5 per cent from 1990 levels.
Globally, 1997, 1998 and 2002 were the hottest years since worldwide weather records were first collated in 1860.
Most scientists agree that greenhouse gases from fossil fuels have contributed to the warming of the planet in the past few decades but have questioned whether a brighter Sun is also responsible for rising temperatures.
To determine the Sun's role in global warming, Dr Solanki's research team measured magnetic zones on the Sun's surface known as sunspots, which are believed to intensify the Sun's energy output.
The team studied sunspot data going back several hundred years. They found that a dearth of sunspots signalled a cold period - which could last up to 50 years - but that over the past century their numbers had increased as the Earth's climate grew steadily warmer. The scientists also compared data from ice samples collected during an expedition to Greenland in 1991. The most recent samples contained the lowest recorded levels of beryllium 10 for more than 1,000 years. Beryllium 10 is a particle created by cosmic rays that decreases in the Earth's atmosphere as the magnetic energy from the Sun increases. Scientists can currently trace beryllium 10 levels back 1,150 years.
Dr Solanki does not know what is causing the Sun to burn brighter now or how long this cycle would last.
He says that the increased solar brightness over the past 20 years has not been enough to cause the observed climate changes but believes that the impact of more intense sunshine on the ozone layer and on cloud cover could be affecting the climate more than the sunlight itself.
Dr Bill Burrows, a climatologist and a member of the Royal Meteorological Society, welcomed Dr Solanki's research. "While the established view remains that the sun cannot be responsible for all the climate changes we have seen in the past 50 years or so, this study is certainly significant," he said.
"It shows that there is enough happening on the solar front to merit further research. Perhaps we are devoting too many resources to correcting human effects on the climate without being sure that we are the major contributor."
Dr David Viner, the senior research scientist at the University of East Anglia's climatic research unit, said the research showed that the sun did have an effect on global warming.
He added, however, that the study also showed that over the past 20 years the number of sunspots had remained roughly constant, while the Earth's temperature had continued to increase.
This suggested that over the past 20 years, human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation had begun to dominate "the natural factors involved in climate change", he said.
Dr Gareth Jones, a climate researcher at the Met Office, said that Dr Solanki's findings were inconclusive because the study had not incorporated other potential climate change factors.
"The Sun's radiance may well have an impact on climate change but it needs to be looked at in conjunction with other factors such as greenhouse gases, sulphate aerosols and volcano activity," he said. The research adds weight to the views of David Bellamy, the conservationist. "Global warming - at least the modern nightmare version - is a myth," he said. "I am sure of it and so are a growing number of scientists. But what is really worrying is that the world's politicians and policy-makers are not.
"Instead, they have an unshakeable faith in what has, unfortunately, become one of the central credos of the environmental movement: humans burn fossil fuels, which release increased levels of carbon dioxide - the principal so-called greenhouse gas - into the atmosphere, causing the atmosphere to heat up. They say this is global warming: I say this is poppycock

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He says that the increased solar brightness over the past 20 years has not been enough to cause the observed climate changes
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"While the established view remains that the sun cannot be responsible for all the climate changes we have seen in the past 50 years or so, this study is certainly significant,"
The article's title and the conclusion of the study do not match up.

The Solanki study is well known but this article doesn't mention Solanki concludes only 30% of the global warming since 1970 is caused from the sun. Other studies concur.

* Ammann 2007: “Although solar and volcanic effects appear to dominate most of the slow climate variations within the past thousand years, the impacts of greenhouse gases have dominated since the second half of the last century.”
* Foukal 2006 concludes “The variations measured from spacecraft since 1978 are too small to have contributed appreciably to accelerated global warming over the past 30 years.”
* Usoskin 2005 conclude “during these last 30 years the solar total irradiance, solar UV irradiance and cosmic ray flux has not shown any significant secular trend, so that at least this most recent warming episode must have another source.”
* Stott 2003 increased climate model sensitivity to solar forcing and still found “most warming over the last 50 yr is likely to have been caused by increases in greenhouse gases.”
* Solanki 2003 concludes “the Sun has contributed less than 30% of the global warming since 1970.”
* Lean 1999 concludes “it is unlikely that Sun-climate relationships can account for much of the warming since 1970?.
* Waple 1999 finds “little evidence to suggest that changes in irradiance are having a large impact on the current warming trend.”
* Frolich 1998 concludes “solar radiative output trends contributed little of the 0.2°C increase in the global mean surface temperature in the past decade.”
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It's ALL the same scam. It centers on the Liberal/NeoMarxist small minded and narrow viewpoint of time,history, reality.
The last 3 -4 years here in midwest has been extremely cool. We've had only 2 days in the last 2 summers that reached 90 degrees. 2 days! THIS summer has been extremely cool...like 20-25 degrees cooler than "average". By EnviroNazi "standards" that's GLOBAL COOLING!
Geesus, they can't predict the weather acurately for a day or two into the future BUT the Gorebots somehow can predict years and decades ahead. ROFLMAO. Their stupidity should be embarrassing but they have no shame on ANY of their wrong issues.
"Global warming" and "man made" are the biggest frauds ever perpetrated upon mankind. AND as you rightly point out Puma, Gore gets fatter and richer.
As the Left/Marxists/EnviroNazi's are completely wrong on EVERYTHING they believe in you can confidently call them "fools".

well with cap and trade like in the story he's going to hit the jack pot
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Pure speculation. We've already seen what sitting back doing nothing has done for us. We voted for change and a change we will have. We're not letting the red states along the Mississippi river run our country anymore. The country is being run from the coasts now.

If you live in a red state you should apologize for the permanent damage you've bestowed on our great nation over the last 8 years. Your a failure at governing and you need to find something your good at, because leading people isn't your calling.
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well if it passes whats the prob with the power bill jumping 3times the curent amount... whats a few 100usd ore a month
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Oboombah, or whatever his goofy name is, came out today to try to ralley the troops amidst continued falling support for his rediculous spending on healthcare and Cap n Tax. As I said, HIS OWN peeps will be the one's who stop this crap, NOT the Repubs.LOL. Didn't I ALWAYS say that Liberals politically and literally consume themselves Puma.? They become what they hate.
BTW, I see America's Most Self Pius Blowhard kicked off at 92. I guess "that's the way it is".
yep they eating themselfs just like last time...
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